All religions, be it judaism, islam or christinanity are based on events involving revelations to individuals or small groups of people. These revelation events cannot be proved. They cannot be reproduced. The notion that moral knowledge comes from God or Allah is an attempt to distinguish all debate and discussion. God or Allah is the final authority. Therefore since there is no proof, all that can be said is that these books are someone's opinion. You can spend your life discussing the meaning of sentences in these books. The idea that a person needs a religion to be good is nonsense. The reliance on religion goes back to our caveman days. The sooner the human race realises religion is not needed, the sooner we will have greater peace on this planet.
You know why humanity is in the state it is now in? Because they have lost all sense of true religion. Religion, the religion God, is the only thing required to save humanity from the sad state it is now in. We are moving away from religion and into materialism …this is hardly creating peace in the world.
It is baseless and irrational to claim religion is the root of all evil and therefore not needed, when really, if you look into history the reason for all evil is simple...it is the corruption of the heart of the individuals... whether it be greed, pride, arrogance, lust for power, hatred or whatever, a lack of religion and spirituality has led individuals to commit the most ugliest of crimes...this includes wars which were instigated for so called religious reasons...if you look closely at these cases...most of them really have nothing to do with religion and everything to do with power, wealth etc.
While it is true revelations are sent to a people (prophets/messengers), to investigate the proofs of these ‘revelation’ events we need to test the revelation these people brought with them. If a revelation is indeed from God, then it must be proven authentic.
Besides this, it is ludicrous to try to somehow reproduce ‘revelation’ events...you cannot scientifically rationalise everything. Science is not infallible, nor can it explain every phenomena, it is merely a tool to explain the natural world around us. Just because we lack the capabilities to see outside of what our senses can perceive, does not mean that certain events or things did not happen or exist. God, the creator of the Heavens and the Earth cannot be “proved” in a laboratory test tube...it is ridiculous to even comprehend such a thing. IstakhferAllah.
A fundamental difference between religion and science is that religion cannot reproduce the 'revelation event', whereas science can reproduce an event based on a model of reality which gives predictable results.
The notion that religion leads to evil is just as ridiculous as saying religion leads to good. The good or evil is in a person already. Besides, these are religious terms. evil could be synonymous with psychosis or neurosis behaviour. ALL RELIGIONS CANNOT BE RIGHT. BUT ALL RELIGIONS CAN BE WRONG. The study of holy books written with spurious authority becomes an exercise in legal analysis and argument. Pouring over every sentence, looking for inspiration, or wrestling with interpretation to fit contemporary cases is such a waste of time and effort. Humanity grow up.
Anonymous wrote this... The Quran is the only Revelation which has been preserved since the time of its revelation...it is the only revelation which is FREE from contradiction and error. It is perfect. .... well if it was perfect why is it riddled with mistakes? For example, Muhammad thought that the Virgin Mary was part of the Holy Trinity. WRONG.... So if the source of the Quran was Allah, he does not know or understand the nature of the trinity very well. Also, I am led to believe that the grammatical erros were so bad, that they decided to change the way Arabic was written. If it was from God, you think he would speak all languages perfectly. But it seems not.
Religion without science is blind and science without religion is lame (Albert Einstein).
Science is limited to the PHYSICAL and MATERIAL creation…it cannot reach outside of this! “Revelation events” are outside the realms of science, when looking into religion from a scientific perspective, you must look at what is measurable, which is the REVELATIONS they claim to bring. Your ‘model of reality’ is limited by your perception…GOD IS not bounded by time or space or human imagination.
Yes, All religions cannot be Right, if so…they can all be wrong, but with equal likelihood, only one could be right.
It is contradictory to claim that religion leads to neither evil nor good, especially, when you claim: “The sooner the human race realises religion is not needed, the sooner we will have greater peace on this planet.” This stance clearly points out that religion leads to more evil than good as it is hindering peace.
Allah swt demands Perfect Justice. He is the Most Just. ISLAM demands justice.
God demands justice, the doing of good and the giving to others; and God forbids all shameful deeds, injustice and oppression. (Quran 16:90)
O, you who believe, stand up firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, EVEN AGAINST YOUR OWN SELVES, or your parents, or your siblings, and whether it be for the rich or poor, for God can protect both. Follow not your lusts, lest you swerve, and if you distort or decline to do justice, verily God is acquainted with all that you do. (Quran 4: 135)
O, you who believe, stand out firmly for God, as witnesses to fairness, and let NOT the hatred of others cause you to swerve toward wrong and depart from justice. Be just, that is closer to piety, and be conscious of God, for God is well acquainted with all that you do. (Quran 5:91)
Violation no.1: Islam gives lesser rights to females as compared to males:
The dominant perception in the west today is that muslim women have very few rights. This view may stem from:
1. Radical views from minority Islamic groups and some Muslim governments (who prevent women e.g. from getting an education, working or driving) 2. The subjugated and oppressed image of Muslim women painted and popularised in western media, where exceptional cases are held as the rule of thumb and magnified to reflect Islam.
The actions of Muslims DOES NOT necessarily reflect ISLAM. If you want to judge the religion, look at only two sources...the Quran and the sunnah (life and sayings of peophet saw). Forget about chauvinistic, male dominated customs. Islam does not teach us that women are inferior to males, nor does it suppress them. The tragedy in Afghanistan and elsewhere is due to poverty and a lack of education (including religious education) for both men and women.
Violation no 2: The right to choose their own religion….In islam NO ONE can be forced to enter it!!
LET THERE BE NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION. Truth stands out clearly from falsehood. (Quran 2: 256).
Violation 3: Cruel, inhumane punishment to those who don’t believe in islam.
Muslims are NOT permitted to act unjustly against peaceful non-muslims anywhere in the world. They are COMMANDED to deal justly and KINDLY with non-muslims. “God does NOT forbid with regard to those who do not fight you for your faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing in LOVING_KINDNESS and JUSTICE with them, for God loves those who are just. God only forbids you, with regard to those who FIGHT YOU for your faith, and DRIVE YOU out of your homes, and SUPPORT others to drive you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances) that do wrong. “Quran 60: 8-9
Look into the life of the prophet saw and Islamic history, you will find numerous examples of Muslims living in peace with non-muslims. If you have cases where injustice has been done, know that this is AGAINST ISLAM and its teachings.
Violation 4: Freedom of speech is prohibited and punishable by law?
Freedom of speech is a joke! Go out and declare that the holocaust never happened, go out and condemn gays openly...after all, we have freedom of speech...you will soon see the results of your freedom of speech!! The truth is, freedom of speech is one of those things that sound nice in principle but really doesn’t exist. In China…if you say something against the government, you could die or if your lucky root in jail!!
Holy Trinity?
Lets see what the Quran says about the trinity… "And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, ‘Take me and my mother as two gods beside Allah?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden." Qur’an 5:116
This is referring to Jesus pbuh being questioned on the day of judgement whether he taught people to worship him and his mother…indeed if not initially but later sects of Christianity began to do this. This is in NO reference to the trinity…indeed some Roman Catholics today have statues of Mary and turn to her for guidance and prayer which is synonymous with worshipping her.
5.73. They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three: for there is no god except One Allah. This is the only reference to the trinity… AGAIN THIS IS NOT INCLUSIVE OF EVERY CHRISTIAN AND WHAT THEY BELIEVE. They were Unitarian Christians who vehemently opposed the trinity in early Christendom. There is NO mention of Mary (May God be pleased with her) here.
Grammaticial errors...It is profoundly ridiculous to try to even comprehend what these grammatical errors are, especially, when being commented on by someone who speaks no Arabic and has absolutely no knowledge of Arabic grammar!! Its like going to France and speaking no French and declaring their grammar rubbish because it doesn’t comply with English grammar! It’s ridiculous.
Men flying planes into towers and dancing around…you know what??
The muslims world did declare their abhorrence for what happened. While CNN was busy showing a 10year old footage of Palestinians cheering about a completely different event…and portraying muslims as being supportive of the attacks, real life muslims were horrified and fearful. What happened in September 11 was an abomination. It was unjust, it was horrendous, it was inexcusable, it was a tragedy. No human life is allowed to be taken in vain without just cause. This is the TRUE teaching of ISLAM.
Quote: Don’t take life which Allah has made sacred except by way of justice and law. Thus does He command you that you may learn wisdom. (quran 6: 151).
O Humanity, We created You from a single pair of male and female, and made you into races and tribes, so that you may know each other. Verily, the most honored of you in the sight of God is the most God-conscious. (Quran 49:13)
Grammaticial errors...It is profoundly ridiculous to try to even comprehend what these grammatical errors are, especially, when being commented on by someone who speaks no Arabic and has absolutely no knowledge of Arabic grammar!! Its like going to France and speaking no French and declaring their grammar rubbish because it doesn’t comply with English grammar! It’s ridiculous.
Men flying planes into towers and dancing around…you know what??
The muslims world did declare their abhorrence for what happened. While CNN was busy showing a 10year old footage of Palestinians cheering about a completely different event…and portraying muslims as being supportive of the attacks, real life muslims were horrified and fearful. What happened in September 11 was an abomination. It was unjust, it was horrendous, it was inexcusable, it was a tragedy. No human life is allowed to be taken in vain without just cause. This is the TRUE teaching of ISLAM.
Quote: Don’t take life which Allah has made sacred except by way of justice and law. Thus does He command you that you may learn wisdom. (quran 6: 151).
O Humanity, We created You from a single pair of male and female, and made you into races and tribes, so that you may know each other. Verily, the most honored of you in the sight of God is the most God-conscious. Quran 49:13
When can muslims fight? The word jihad, jihadist, islamists, terrorists are hateful rhetoric that has been tossed around for the past 10 years. Muslims have become demonised, and ISLAM in the west has become the blame target. Without looking at the historical context of what led these people to attack, their uprise and the politics behind it…all Muslims have become boxed in to one category… This sort of antagonistic attitude is only due to irrational fear and ignorance. The Quran DOES not say, fight people for the sake of them being disbelievers. Often the Quote…’fight the unbelievers wherever you find them.” is quoted out of context to support this ridiculous stance.
“Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight you, but don’t be the aggressors, because Allah does not approve of aggression. Fight them wherever they are found, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out, because being oppressed is worse than being slaughtered…but if they cease being hostile, remember that Allah is oft-forgiving and source of All mercy. But if they continue to oppress, then battle them until oppression is no more and justice and faith in Allah prevails. If they SEEK peace, then YOU SEEK IT ASWELL, but continue to (only) persue the evil does. (Quran2 : 1911-194).
This verse was revealed to give Muslims permission to fight in self-defence. Historically, Muslims were a persecuted minority in Mecca during the first 13 years of the prophet’s mission. During these times, muslims faced horrendous punishments from the stronger opponents, the idol worshippers. When the prophet (saw) and some muslims migrated to madina, they were granted permission to fight in self-defence and why not?? Another case where permission is given to fight is to protect the houses of worship (this includes mosques, churches and synagogues) and to seek the right to practise the religion under an oppressive regime.
Fighting is only justifiable to achieve peace and justice and stop violence and oppression. The oppressed are not given permission to become the oppressors, if they gain the upper hand and peace is sought, they must make peace.
You can understand that from the western world's point of view, islamic fundamentalism and the call to jihad is a huge proble, Billions are being spend on security. We do not hear the call of mullahs to stop this violence. if they do then then they are calling it softly. Islam does not have one central final authority, a Pope. Instead you see hundreds of groups, some moderate some extreme. There is no one person condeming these acts of violence. Why do these people believe they are justified? When the IRA were bombing British targets, they werent saying God is alloying this, or they are doing God's will. It was a political issue. Irish independence. Yet these arabic extremists are claiming it is Allah's will. Until there is widespread condemnation by all mullahs, the west cant help think negatively on Islam, especially its organisational structure. or lack of.
Quran (4:34) orders a man to beat his wife if she doesn't obey him?
Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
The word Sabians, which is the name of a religious group, comes in Arabic in two forms, Sabiyoon or Sabiyeen, depending on its place in the sentence, which is all governed by the Arabic grammar. In verse (5:69) it is written Sabiyoon, which is a gross grammatical mistake because it should be Sabyeen. “Surely, those who believe, those who are the Jews and the Sabiyoon and the Christians…" [Q 5:69] As one would expect, Muslim scholars would justify the above error by any means, as they always do. For the sake of this argument we would accept whatever explanation the Muslims may put to us. But even this concession doesn’t help the Quran but puts it in another trouble, because the same word is repeated in verse (22:17) with the same sequence of words and the same grammatical position as in verse (5: 69), but this time it is written correctly Sabyeen! “Verily, those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Sabiyeen, and the Christians…” [Q 22:17] If we forgive the Quran for the mistake in verse 5:69, then verse 22:17 must be wrong and vice versa! No matter what Muslim scholars say, one of the verses must be wrong, and that is according to the Quran!
the film footage of palestinians rejoicing when 9/11 happened was not fake. Read this: http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-kills-muslims-celebrating-sept-11-2001.htm
Quotations from the Koran about killing Christians:
2:190-193 Fight in the cause of God, those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out: For tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they first fight you there; But if they fight you, Slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression." 2:216-217 Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth, and ye know not. They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offense); but graver is it in the sight of God to prevent access to the path of God, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members. Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be Companions of the Fire and will abide therein. 5:72-73: They do blaspheme who say: "God is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship God, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with God, - God will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrongdoers be no one to help. They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. 8:12-15 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." This because they contended against God and His Apostle: If any contend against God and His Apostle, God is strict in punishment. Thus (will it be said): "Taste ye then of the (punishment): for those who resist God, is the penalty of the Fire." O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. 8:37-39: In order that God may separate the impure from the pure, put the impure, one on another, heap them together, and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost. Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily God doth see all that they do. 9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (trick in war for deceiving and outwitting the enemy); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
48:29: "Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other." 60:4: We have renounced you; and enmity and hatred is begun between us and you for ever, until ye believe in Allah alone
I am aware that most Muslims have proven by their provided responses that they possess a quite ingenious and creative mind. And that's why I will try to be honest with Muslims. First of all, you should know that the Quran's Allah and the Bible's God is not the same. They are different. May I counter with another 2 questions: Is Quran's Allah the Father of Jesus Christ? Is Jesus Christ Allah? You would say “No, Allah has no son. That would be blasphemy! Shirk!” – “You see, then Quran's Allah and the Bible's God cannot be one and the same.” In view of the many religions, lots of people wonder whether they do not all worship the same God. Even in Old Testament times, the God of the Bible testifies to being “the first and … the last; apart from me there is no God” (Is 44:6). “I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no saviour” (Is 43:11). This living God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Matt 22:32), He is the Father of Jesus Christ (Mark 14:36). The Allah of the Qur’an and the God of the Bible may show some verbal similarities here and there. But on closer inspection they are not the same God to whom Christians and Muslims pray. Many Muslims try to evade a discussion of the real issues regarding the truth of Islam and Christianity by pushing "101 Bible Contradictions" (or similar word game compilations) into face of Christians. Muslim web sites abound in articles and collections attacking the integrity of the Bible by means of word game contradiction lists. I have read most of them. Sadly, many Muslims have become unnecessarily aggravated because they did not understand the purpose of the writers of the "101 Bible Contradictions" and other ''Muslim word game collections on the Bible.'' Many have the attitude that "because the Bible is riddled with contradictions, errors, absurdities and problems, there is no need for me to make the effort to understand it." With such an attitude no real dialog can develop between Muslims and Christians. I am not saying we can't have a civil debate, we should just respect the thoughts of others. My goal is to get beyond superficial word games to discussing the relevant core issues over which we differ. It has mostly proven useless to explain one set of contradictions because there is always another one that can be added to the list. However, I know that most Muslims' rejection of the Bible is not based on such contradiction lists. For most Muslims this rejection is an integral part of their prejudice long before they have ever seen any such "contradictions", so most Muslims cannot overcome the prejudice against the God's Word. These lists are usually only used as a convenient means to justify a rejection of the Bible which would otherwise be very difficult to explain rationally. I must tell you frankly, I myself have found a lot of contradictions and serious errors in the Quran. But I do not have any desire to use any possible case for attacking the Quran, similar to the Muslim attacks on the Bible. I am not interested in it at all. This is not my purpose to make that decision even on behalf of Christians. I know that debates about contradictions are rarely fruitful because people tend to insult each other and to insist reading the texts of the opponent in the most rigid and literal manner to make it look bad, while being very lenient with their own book, allowing extra assumptions, metaphorical interpretations and other means to somehow explain how this can be understood without being a contradiction. Having clarified my purpose I just want to challenge you with the following compilation to rethink your approach for determining the truth of Scripture.
Many Muslims who managed to read carefully the Bible, finally realized that God has eternally condemned Islam and Quran. This is not a joke. Bible says ( Galatians 1: 6-9 ). ''I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!''
Bible says (2 Corinthians 11:14, 15) ''And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.''
Bible warned us even about Muhammad: Matthew 7:15 says ,,Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.''
Matthew 11: 13 says ,,For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John'' (in other words, John was the last prophet) (as you know Muhammad introduced himself to his followers as the last prophet, but the Bible says it was John who was the last prophet. )
2 Peter 2: 1,2,3 says ,,But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.'' ( as you know, Muhammad denied Jesus Christ as the Lord or in other words as God)
1 Timothy 4: 1,2 ''Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,''
1John 4:1,2,3 ,, Beloved do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And that is the spirit of th Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now in the world'' ( Jesus Christ (Messiah) has come in the flash means God Himself has come in the flesh on earth. As you know Muhammad did not confess Jesus Christ had come in the flesh). In Jesus, God became man: “The Word became flesh and lived for a while among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the One and only, Who came from the Father, full of grace and truth” (John 1:14).
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takbeer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All religions, be it judaism, islam or christinanity are based on events involving revelations to individuals or small groups of people. These revelation events cannot be proved. They cannot be reproduced. The notion that moral knowledge comes from God or Allah is an attempt to distinguish all debate and discussion. God or Allah is the final authority. Therefore since there is no proof, all that can be said is that these books are someone's opinion. You can spend your life discussing the meaning of sentences in these books. The idea that a person needs a religion to be good is nonsense. The reliance on religion goes back to our caveman days. The sooner the human race realises religion is not needed, the sooner we will have greater peace on this planet.
You know why humanity is in the state it is now in? Because they have lost all sense of true religion. Religion, the religion God, is the only thing required to save humanity from the sad state it is now in. We are moving away from religion and into materialism …this is hardly creating peace in the world.
It is baseless and irrational to claim religion is the root of all evil and therefore not needed, when really, if you look into history the reason for all evil is simple...it is the corruption of the heart of the individuals... whether it be greed, pride, arrogance, lust for power, hatred or whatever, a lack of religion and spirituality has led individuals to commit the most ugliest of crimes...this includes wars which were instigated for so called religious reasons...if you look closely at these cases...most of them really have nothing to do with religion and everything to do with power, wealth etc.
While it is true revelations are sent to a people (prophets/messengers), to investigate the proofs of these ‘revelation’ events we need to test the revelation these people brought with them. If a revelation is indeed from God, then it must be proven authentic.
Besides this, it is ludicrous to try to somehow reproduce ‘revelation’ events...you cannot scientifically rationalise everything. Science is not infallible, nor can it explain every phenomena, it is merely a tool to explain the natural world around us. Just because we lack the capabilities to see outside of what our senses can perceive, does not mean that certain events or things did not happen or exist. God, the creator of the Heavens and the Earth cannot be “proved” in a laboratory test tube...it is ridiculous to even comprehend such a thing. IstakhferAllah.
A fundamental difference between religion and science is that religion cannot reproduce the 'revelation event', whereas science can reproduce an event based on a model of reality which gives predictable results.
The notion that religion leads to evil is just as ridiculous as saying religion leads to good. The good or evil is in a person already. Besides, these are religious terms. evil could be synonymous with psychosis or neurosis behaviour.
ALL RELIGIONS CANNOT BE RIGHT. BUT ALL RELIGIONS CAN BE WRONG.
The study of holy books written with spurious authority becomes an exercise in legal analysis and argument.
Pouring over every sentence, looking for inspiration, or wrestling with interpretation to fit contemporary cases is such a waste of time and effort.
Humanity grow up.
Anonymous wrote this...
The Quran is the only Revelation which has been preserved since the time of its revelation...it is the only revelation which is FREE from contradiction and error. It is perfect.
.... well if it was perfect why is it riddled with mistakes?
For example, Muhammad thought that the Virgin Mary was part of the Holy Trinity. WRONG....
So if the source of the Quran was Allah, he does not know or understand the nature of the trinity very well.
Also, I am led to believe that the grammatical erros were so bad, that they decided to change the way Arabic was written. If it was from God, you think he would speak all languages perfectly. But it seems not.
Religion without science is blind and science without religion is lame (Albert Einstein).
Science is limited to the PHYSICAL and MATERIAL creation…it cannot reach outside of this! “Revelation events” are outside the realms of science, when looking into religion from a scientific perspective, you must look at what is measurable, which is the REVELATIONS they claim to bring. Your ‘model of reality’ is limited by your perception…GOD IS not bounded by time or space or human imagination.
Yes, All religions cannot be Right, if so…they can all be wrong, but with equal likelihood, only one could be right.
It is contradictory to claim that religion leads to neither evil nor good, especially, when you claim: “The sooner the human race realises religion is not needed, the sooner we will have greater peace on this planet.” This stance clearly points out that religion leads to more evil than good as it is hindering peace.
Lets look at Islam’s violation of human rights…
Allah swt demands Perfect Justice. He is the Most Just. ISLAM demands justice.
God demands justice, the doing of good and the giving to others; and God forbids all shameful deeds, injustice and oppression. (Quran 16:90)
O, you who believe, stand up firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, EVEN AGAINST YOUR OWN SELVES, or your parents, or your siblings, and whether it be for the rich or poor, for God can protect both. Follow not your lusts, lest you swerve, and if you distort or decline to do justice, verily God is acquainted with all that you do. (Quran 4: 135)
O, you who believe, stand out firmly for God, as witnesses to fairness, and let NOT the hatred of others cause you to swerve toward wrong and depart from justice. Be just, that is closer to piety, and be conscious of God, for God is well acquainted with all that you do. (Quran 5:91)
Violation no.1: Islam gives lesser rights to females as compared to males:
The dominant perception in the west today is that muslim women have very few rights. This view may stem from:
1. Radical views from minority Islamic groups and some Muslim governments (who prevent women e.g. from getting an education, working or driving)
2. The subjugated and oppressed image of Muslim women painted and popularised in western media, where exceptional cases are held as the rule of thumb and magnified to reflect Islam.
The actions of Muslims DOES NOT necessarily reflect ISLAM. If you want to judge the religion, look at only two sources...the Quran and the sunnah (life and sayings of peophet saw). Forget about chauvinistic, male dominated customs. Islam does not teach us that women are inferior to males, nor does it suppress them. The tragedy in Afghanistan and elsewhere is due to poverty and a lack of education (including religious education) for both men and women.
Violation no 2: The right to choose their own religion….In islam NO ONE can be forced to enter it!!
LET THERE BE NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION. Truth stands out clearly from falsehood. (Quran 2: 256).
Violation 3: Cruel, inhumane punishment to those who don’t believe in islam.
Muslims are NOT permitted to act unjustly against peaceful non-muslims anywhere in the world. They are COMMANDED to deal justly and KINDLY with non-muslims.
“God does NOT forbid with regard to those who do not fight you for your faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing in LOVING_KINDNESS and JUSTICE with them, for God loves those who are just. God only forbids you, with regard to those who FIGHT YOU for your faith, and DRIVE YOU out of your homes, and SUPPORT others to drive you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances) that do wrong. “Quran 60: 8-9
Look into the life of the prophet saw and Islamic history, you will find numerous examples of Muslims living in peace with non-muslims. If you have cases where injustice has been done, know that this is AGAINST ISLAM and its teachings.
Violation 4: Freedom of speech is prohibited and punishable by law?
Freedom of speech is a joke! Go out and declare that the holocaust never happened, go out and condemn gays openly...after all, we have freedom of speech...you will soon see the results of your freedom of speech!! The truth is, freedom of speech is one of those things that sound nice in principle but really doesn’t exist. In China…if you say something against the government, you could die or if your lucky root in jail!!
Holy Trinity?
Lets see what the Quran says about the trinity…
"And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, ‘Take me and my mother as two gods beside Allah?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden." Qur’an 5:116
This is referring to Jesus pbuh being questioned on the day of judgement whether he taught people to worship him and his mother…indeed if not initially but later sects of Christianity began to do this. This is in NO reference to the trinity…indeed some Roman Catholics today have statues of Mary and turn to her for guidance and prayer which is synonymous with worshipping her.
5.73. They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three: for there is no god except One Allah.
This is the only reference to the trinity… AGAIN THIS IS NOT INCLUSIVE OF EVERY CHRISTIAN AND WHAT THEY BELIEVE. They were Unitarian Christians who vehemently opposed the trinity in early Christendom. There is NO mention of Mary (May God be pleased with her) here.
Grammaticial errors...It is profoundly ridiculous to try to even comprehend what these grammatical errors are, especially, when being commented on by someone who speaks no Arabic and has absolutely no knowledge of Arabic grammar!! Its like going to France and speaking no French and declaring their grammar rubbish because it doesn’t comply with English grammar! It’s ridiculous.
Men flying planes into towers and dancing around…you know what??
The muslims world did declare their abhorrence for what happened. While CNN was busy showing a 10year old footage of Palestinians cheering about a completely different event…and portraying muslims as being supportive of the attacks, real life muslims were horrified and fearful. What happened in September 11 was an abomination. It was unjust, it was horrendous, it was inexcusable, it was a tragedy. No human life is allowed to be taken in vain without just cause. This is the TRUE teaching of ISLAM.
Quote:
Don’t take life which Allah has made sacred except by way of justice and law. Thus does He command you that you may learn wisdom. (quran 6: 151).
O Humanity, We created You from a single pair of male and female, and made you into races and tribes, so that you may know each other. Verily, the most honored of you in the sight of God is the most God-conscious. (Quran 49:13)
Grammaticial errors...It is profoundly ridiculous to try to even comprehend what these grammatical errors are, especially, when being commented on by someone who speaks no Arabic and has absolutely no knowledge of Arabic grammar!! Its like going to France and speaking no French and declaring their grammar rubbish because it doesn’t comply with English grammar! It’s ridiculous.
Men flying planes into towers and dancing around…you know what??
The muslims world did declare their abhorrence for what happened. While CNN was busy showing a 10year old footage of Palestinians cheering about a completely different event…and portraying muslims as being supportive of the attacks, real life muslims were horrified and fearful. What happened in September 11 was an abomination. It was unjust, it was horrendous, it was inexcusable, it was a tragedy. No human life is allowed to be taken in vain without just cause. This is the TRUE teaching of ISLAM.
Quote:
Don’t take life which Allah has made sacred except by way of justice and law. Thus does He command you that you may learn wisdom. (quran 6: 151).
O Humanity, We created You from a single pair of male and female, and made you into races and tribes, so that you may know each other. Verily, the most honored of you in the sight of God is the most God-conscious. Quran 49:13
When can muslims fight?
The word jihad, jihadist, islamists, terrorists are hateful rhetoric that has been tossed around for the past 10 years. Muslims have become demonised, and ISLAM in the west has become the blame target. Without looking at the historical context of what led these people to attack, their uprise and the politics behind it…all Muslims have become boxed in to one category… This sort of antagonistic attitude is only due to irrational fear and ignorance. The Quran DOES not say, fight people for the sake of them being disbelievers. Often the Quote…’fight the unbelievers wherever you find them.” is quoted out of context to support this ridiculous stance.
“Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight you, but don’t be the aggressors, because Allah does not approve of aggression. Fight them wherever they are found, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out, because being oppressed is worse than being slaughtered…but if they cease being hostile, remember that Allah is oft-forgiving and source of All mercy. But if they continue to oppress, then battle them until oppression is no more and justice and faith in Allah prevails. If they SEEK peace, then YOU SEEK IT ASWELL, but continue to (only) persue the evil does. (Quran2 : 1911-194).
This verse was revealed to give Muslims permission to fight in self-defence. Historically, Muslims were a persecuted minority in Mecca during the first 13 years of the prophet’s mission. During these times, muslims faced horrendous punishments from the stronger opponents, the idol worshippers. When the prophet (saw) and some muslims migrated to madina, they were granted permission to fight in self-defence and why not??
Another case where permission is given to fight is to protect the houses of worship (this includes mosques, churches and synagogues) and to seek the right to practise the religion under an oppressive regime.
Fighting is only justifiable to achieve peace and justice and stop violence and oppression. The oppressed are not given permission to become the oppressors, if they gain the upper hand and peace is sought, they must make peace.
You can understand that from the western world's point of view, islamic fundamentalism and the call to jihad is a huge proble, Billions are being spend on security.
We do not hear the call of mullahs to stop this violence. if they do then then they are calling it softly.
Islam does not have one central final authority, a Pope. Instead you see hundreds of groups, some moderate some extreme. There is no one person condeming these acts of violence.
Why do these people believe they are justified? When the IRA were bombing British targets, they werent saying God is alloying this, or they are doing God's will. It was a political issue. Irish independence. Yet these arabic extremists are claiming it is Allah's will. Until there is widespread condemnation by all mullahs, the west cant help think negatively on Islam, especially its organisational structure. or lack of.
Quran (4:34) orders a man to beat his wife if she doesn't obey him?
Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
errors in the Quran
The word Sabians, which is the name of a religious group, comes in Arabic in two forms, Sabiyoon or Sabiyeen, depending on its place in the sentence, which is all governed by the Arabic grammar. In verse (5:69) it is written Sabiyoon, which is a gross grammatical mistake because it should be Sabyeen.
“Surely, those who believe, those who are the Jews and the Sabiyoon and the Christians…" [Q 5:69]
As one would expect, Muslim scholars would justify the above error by any means, as they always do. For the sake of this argument we would accept whatever explanation the Muslims may put to us. But even this concession doesn’t help the Quran but puts it in another trouble, because the same word is repeated in verse (22:17) with the same sequence of words and the same grammatical position as in verse (5: 69), but this time it is written correctly Sabyeen!
“Verily, those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Sabiyeen, and the Christians…” [Q 22:17]
If we forgive the Quran for the mistake in verse 5:69, then verse 22:17 must be wrong and vice versa! No matter what Muslim scholars say, one of the verses must be wrong, and that is according to the Quran!
the film footage of palestinians rejoicing when 9/11 happened was not fake.
Read this:
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-kills-muslims-celebrating-sept-11-2001.htm
Quotations from the Koran about killing Christians:
2:190-193 Fight in the cause of God, those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out: For tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they first fight you there; But if they fight you, Slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression."
2:216-217 Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth, and ye know not. They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offense); but graver is it in the sight of God to prevent access to the path of God, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members. Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be Companions of the Fire and will abide therein.
5:72-73: They do blaspheme who say: "God is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship God, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with God, - God will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrongdoers be no one to help. They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
8:12-15 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." This because they contended against God and His Apostle: If any contend against God and His Apostle, God is strict in punishment. Thus (will it be said): "Taste ye then of the (punishment): for those who resist God, is the penalty of the Fire." O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them.
8:37-39: In order that God may separate the impure from the pure, put the impure, one on another, heap them together, and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost. Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily God doth see all that they do.
9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (trick in war for deceiving and outwitting the enemy); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
48:29: "Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other."
60:4: We have renounced you; and enmity and hatred is begun between us and you for ever, until ye believe in Allah alone
I am aware that most Muslims have proven by their provided responses that they possess a quite ingenious and creative mind. And that's why I will try to be honest with Muslims. First of all, you should know that the Quran's Allah and the Bible's God is not the same. They are different. May I counter with another 2 questions: Is Quran's Allah the Father of Jesus Christ? Is Jesus Christ Allah? You would say “No, Allah has no son. That would be blasphemy! Shirk!” – “You see, then Quran's Allah and the Bible's God cannot be one and the same.” In view of the many religions, lots of people wonder whether they do not all worship the same God. Even in Old Testament times, the God of the Bible testifies to being “the first and … the last; apart from me there is no God” (Is 44:6). “I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no saviour” (Is 43:11). This living God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Matt 22:32), He is the Father of Jesus Christ (Mark 14:36). The Allah of the Qur’an and the God of the Bible may show some verbal similarities here and there. But on closer inspection they are not the same God to whom Christians and Muslims pray. Many Muslims try to evade a discussion of the real issues regarding the truth of Islam and Christianity by pushing "101 Bible Contradictions" (or similar word game compilations) into face of Christians. Muslim web sites abound in articles and collections attacking the integrity of the Bible by means of word game contradiction lists. I have read most of them. Sadly, many Muslims have become unnecessarily aggravated because they did not understand the purpose of the writers of the "101 Bible Contradictions" and other ''Muslim word game collections on the Bible.'' Many have the attitude that "because the Bible is riddled with contradictions, errors, absurdities and problems, there is no need for me to make the effort to understand it." With such an attitude no real dialog can develop between Muslims and Christians. I am not saying we can't have a civil debate, we should just respect the thoughts of others.
My goal is to get beyond superficial word games to discussing the relevant core issues over which we differ. It has mostly proven useless to explain one set of contradictions because there is always another one that can be added to the list. However, I know that most Muslims' rejection of the Bible is not based on such contradiction lists. For most Muslims this rejection is an integral part of their prejudice long before they have ever seen any such "contradictions", so most Muslims cannot overcome the prejudice against the God's Word. These lists are usually only used as a convenient means to justify a rejection of the Bible which would otherwise be very difficult to explain rationally.
I must tell you frankly, I myself have found a lot of contradictions and serious errors in the Quran. But I do not have any desire to use any possible case for attacking the Quran, similar to the Muslim attacks on the Bible. I am not interested in it at all. This is not my purpose to make that decision even on behalf of Christians. I know that debates about contradictions are rarely fruitful because people tend to insult each other and to insist reading the texts of the opponent in the most rigid and literal manner to make it look bad, while being very lenient with their own book, allowing extra assumptions, metaphorical interpretations and other means to somehow explain how this can be understood without being a contradiction.
Having clarified my purpose I just want to challenge you with the following compilation to rethink your approach for determining the truth of Scripture.
Many Muslims who managed to read carefully the Bible, finally realized that God has eternally condemned Islam and Quran. This is not a joke.
Bible says ( Galatians 1: 6-9 ).
''I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!''
Bible says (2 Corinthians 11:14, 15)
''And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.''
Bible warned us even about Muhammad:
Matthew 7:15 says
,,Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.''
Matthew 11: 13 says
,,For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John'' (in other words, John was the last prophet) (as you know Muhammad introduced himself to his followers as the last prophet, but the Bible says it was John who was the last prophet. )
2 Peter 2: 1,2,3 says
,,But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.'' ( as you know, Muhammad denied Jesus Christ as the Lord or in other words as God)
1 Timothy 4: 1,2
''Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,''
1John 4:1,2,3
,, Beloved do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And that is the spirit of th Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now in the world'' ( Jesus Christ (Messiah) has come in the flash means God Himself has come in the flesh on earth. As you know Muhammad did not confess Jesus Christ had come in the flesh).
In Jesus, God became man: “The Word became flesh and lived for a while among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the One and only, Who came from the Father, full of grace and truth” (John 1:14).
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